Hi-Point Throwdown: Trigger Pullin’

It's kind of like Bobby Flay's show. But with guns.

Yesterday I promised to post up my general impressions from taking the Hi-Point out to the range to do some general blasting.

The temperature was in the high 90s, and being a glutton for punishment I dragged out enough steel to set up two Steel Challenge stages, Pendulum and Speed Option.

Evidently, I’ve got pretty good friends, as one of them was actually willing to accompany me to run the timer, shoot video, and write stuff down. Seriously. And you all thought I was a friendless gun dork.

So, anyway…

I ran both the Hi-Point and CZ-85 side-by-side on Pendulum, shooting the stage three times with each gun. However, there is one primary difference between how I shot both guns. With the CZ, I ran the gun starting from the surrender position, drawing from a holster, and then engaging the targets. I don’t yet have a holster for the Hi-Point (anyone got one kicking around in an old holster box you want to donate?), so I ran it from the low ready position. Running the Hi-Point from low-ready is not an inconsequential advantage, especially given that my time from the buzzer to first shot from the surrender position are glacially slow, in the 1.6-1.9 second range.

So, here are the results for three rounds recorded for Pendulum:

Gun 1 2 3 Combined Times
Hi-Point 6.86 5.56 7.04 12.42
CZ-85 22.95* 6.85 4.64 11.49

Here are the times for Speed Option:

1 2 3 4 5 Combined Times
Hi-Point 5.02 9.01** 7.96 6.81 9.71 28.8
CZ-85 6.97 4.97 5.55 9.22 4.88 22.37

*Two failures: One stuck round due to a case with a bent case mouth, and one light primer strike.
**Jam. Failure to feed.

At a proper Steel Challenge match, you run each stage five times, throw out the worst time, and add up the remainders. You might notice that the CZ has a pretty bad time that got tossed. I managed to have an out-of-spec round finds it’s way into my magazine, which caused the gun to jam up quite bad, followed by a light primer strike.

As for the Hi-Point. Well, the recoil impulse could best be described as meandering. Seriously. The gun has one of the slowest cyclic rates I’ve ever seen. On top of that, the muzzle jumps quite a bit more than other pistol designs, so shot-to-shot transitions feel wonky and a bit slow. When moving from one target to the next, I’ll be honest, the cycling of the gun isn’t that big of a deal.

Surprisingly, the sights are incredibly easy to track. You remember that bright enamel paint mentioned earlier? It actually does a pretty good job of making the sights easy to see and therefore align. Yeah, you heard me. I’m giving actual props to one of the features of the Hi-Point.

So those were the recorded times from the practice session. I also dumped quite a few rounds through the gun (all told, about 200) to get used to how the gun points and functions. So far, the little pistol has shown to be not all that bad. Of course, the point of this whole exercise is to run rounds through it in repeatable circumstances to see if “not all that bad” holds up, and if it does, I’m going to need to find out what kind of side dish tastes best with crow.

In the meantime, here are a couple of videos:

Throwing Down the Gauntlet to Hi-Point Fans.

Ok, so if you go to practically any gun forum on the internet, and people start talking about inexpensive or cheap guns, inevitably the Hi-Point fans come crawling out of the woodwork to advocate how the Hi-Point design is just as good as a Glock/SIG/CZ/M&P/other popular semi-auto pistol.

They will, at great length, talk about how the guns are accurate, durable, and just the bee’s knees for any application you’d care to use a handgun for.

And woe unto you if you dare to criticize their bargain-bin darling! If you so much as point out that the guns use a sub-optimal operating system for the calibers in which they’re chambered, you will automatically get labeled as one of those monocle-wearing, mustache-twirling, poor-people-hating gun snobs.

Now, shooting can be a somewhat spendy sport. Between the costs of ammo, gear, match fees, etc. it can put a definite crimp in your wallet. So, I’m always on the lookout for ways to save money without losing out on performance.

So, I’m going to take this opportunity to lay it all out there. I’m willing to give the Hi-Point a shot, and here’s my proposal.

One of you, who’s a true believer in the superiority of the Hi-Point, provide me with a Hi-Point C-9 9mm handgun. No laser. No compensator. Just the barebones stock gun. The only other accessories I require are four extra magazines (for a grand total of five.)

You transfer the gun to the FFL of my choice (contact me at wayofthemultigun ->at<- gmail.com), I'll pay for the background check and transfer.

For the cost of the gun plus shipping, here's what I will do:

I will objectively test the Hi-Point C-9 under competitive settings.

-I will shoot the Hi-Point at no less than six local Steel Challenge matches.
-It will be entered into the matches as a second entry, so I will shoot it against my primary Production Division CZ-85, which will be the gun used as a benchmark.
-I will use the same ammunition for both guns.
-Both guns will be used to shoot the same stages at least three times each.
-I will post the results of how I placed at each match with both guns.
-I will dutifully log any and all malfunctions, failures, and breakages with both firearms so that they may be compared for relative levels of reliability.

If, after shooting the Hi-Point at these six matches, I manage to place higher with the Hi-Point, I will compete at a state-level Steel Challenge match with this gun. If provided with Hi-Point branded apparel (hat, shirt, etc.) I will wear it during this match.

However, if the Hi-Point fails to live up to the reputation of its online adherents and I do not place as well as or better with the Hi-Point, or it fails mechanically to the point where I can no longer use it at matches, I reserve the right to bag on Hi-Point guns to my heart's content from now until the day I die.

Of Rimfire Pistols, Steel Challenge, and Android

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Suffering from a bit of insomnia, so why not do something useful?

This post is my first attempt to blog via the WordPress for Android app.

It was fairly easy to install. As for gun content, if all goes as planned there should be a photo of a Ruger 22/45 in this post.

It’s one of the first guns I ever bought, and recently I had some custom work done to it. The marketing gimmick for the 22/45 is that the grip is supposedly the same as on a 1911.

This is untrue. The angle may be the same, but the grip has never had the same feel as a government model. So I took a spare pair of 1911 grips that were sitting in a miscellaneous parts bin, and dropped the pistol off with a local smith, who shaved down the original plastic grip, installed some anchors for the grip screws, and then fit the 1911 grips to the pistol.

I also had him install a scope rail, allowing me to mount an Adco red dot scope on top. (I won the scope earlier this year at The Superstition Mountain Mystery 3 Gun match.)

This pistol has quickly become my favorite Steel Challenge gun, as well as my gun for training newbies to shoot a pistol.