Hi-Point Throwdown: The Beginning.

Ok, so I’ve been lax on updates from the HiPoint Throwdown lately, so this post is going to be a quick info dump and a teaser for later today.

Long story short, I picked the gun up last Friday (thanks to the fine folks at Whistling Pines Gun Club.) On Sunday I took it out to the range to run some rounds through it and yesterday, I shot it in the first actual match.

A few photos from picking the gun up:

Photos by the multi-talented shooter, photographer and all around excellent Stuart Wong.

On a side note, Stuart’s just started with the whole blogging thing, but I suspect he’ll have a lot of insightful things to say about shooting (He’s a GM Production shooter), photography, and other topics. To see the classiest photos of a Hi-Point anyone’s ever taken, click here.

General first impressions:

The ergonomics leave a lot to be desired. The grip feels funky, especially when held tightly, and looking at the spacing for the finger grooves, it looks like it was designed to be held by someone with cartoon fingers.

The safety lever pulls double-duty as the slide stop lever as well. With the gun ready to go, flip the safety up to engage it. To lock the gun open, draw the slide back until the safety lines up with a notch cut in the slide and push it up to engage. I’ll go so far as to label this bit of cost-saving engineering as kind of clever.

The gun also has one of those annoying magazine disconnect safeties, something I’m generally opposed to as it makes the whole “Unload and Show Clear, Slide down, hammer down, holster” process much more of a chore than it should be. Following basic safety protocol completely negates the need for such a device.

Fit and finish is about what you’d expect. The slide is powder coated, and while certainly not pretty like blued or stainless gun, it’s a utilitarian solution that’s both cost-effective and probably wears well over the long-term.

The recoil spring is heavier than what you’d see in a pistol like a Glock, and coupled with the ungainly slide, the gun tends to feel nose-heavy, and cycling it is slightly awkward.

Field stripping is accomplished with the use of a tool that’s provided with the pistol, but I haven’t taken the gun apart yet. From what I’ve read, it’s not as straightforward as breaking apart a more mainstream pistol.

The sights are, well, at first they look goofy. The front sight is painted with a bright yellow enamel, and the rear sight has two bright red dots painted in similar fashion. The front sight blade is wider than I’m used to.

The trigger.
Well.
It’s consistent.
It’s kind of squishy like a Glock trigger without really managing to feel like a Glock trigger.
It’s also heavy:

So those are my first general impressions from handling the gun. Next up will be the initial range report. I’ll be honest, some of the results are a bit surprising…

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12 thoughts on “Hi-Point Throwdown: The Beginning.

  1. Still the ugliest gun ever. From having held it I can attest to the way nose heavy feel and the heavy squishy trigger. Good luck and let know how it runs. I will still never buy one…

  2. I think you were leaving about the same time that I got there. Shot some video, but haven’t had a chance to take a look at it yet.

    Curtis saifd I should run it at an IPSC match. Need to find a holster first.

  3. Just a side comment about the mag disconnect thing and “following basic safety protocol” as you said:

    The failure of basic safety protocol, IMHO, is in the whole “slide forward, hammer down” process at USPSA/IDPA events. As an instructor, I’ve seen three people AD because of this bad habit in class. As a RO/SO/MD, I’ve seen probably half a dozen more. The only AD I’ve ever had was caused by the same bad habit.

    Instead of proving a gun is empty by pulling the trigger, we should prove it’s empty by ACTUALLY verifying the mag well and chamber are clear. Instead, the whole “unload show clear slide forward hammer down” thing becomes rote memorization performed so fast that no one really knows whether the gun is still loaded until there is a loud noise.

    Then it builds in a habit of pressing the trigger reflexively when part of our brain thinks we’re about to holster an empty gun, even if maybe once in a while the gun isn’t empty.

    Sorry for the totally off-topic rant, just a pet peeve of mine.

    Train hard & stay safe!

  4. Take it from one who owns a Hi-Point C-9 and shot the snot out of it a few years ago. Don’t bother to strip it down for cleaning. Not that it’s that hard to do, it’s just not necessary. Shoot it with some poly safe Gunscrubber, clean what you can reach through the ejection port with a Q-tip, maybe run a patch or two through the barrel, squirt a little oil on in here and there, and go on about your business. That’s all I did to mine until about the 1800 round mark it it really wasn’t that dirty. I’d shot every kind of cheap ammo I could find in it too. WWB, Rem-UMC, American Eagle, Blazer Brass, range reloads, whatever was handy.

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  6. The failure of basic safety protocol, IMHO, is in the whole “slide forward, hammer down” process at USPSA/IDPA events. As an instructor, I’ve seen three people AD because of this bad habit in class.

    The bad habit, though, is with USPSA/IPSC/IDPA RO’s and competitors who don’t visually inspect the chamber before issuing the “slide, hammer, holster” command. The command is, after all, “Unload and show clear”. If a shooter hasn’t done that, the range isn’t safe, and the RO shouldn’t call it as such.

    Ultimately, though, any ND rests solely on the shooter’s head. If they don’t visually inspect the chamber before showing it to the R.O., they get the Match DQ they deserve when their gun goes off and the best they can hope for is they won’t hurt anybody when it does.

  7. Exurban — Agreed, the final responsibility always ends with the shooter. But creating bad rules that build bad habits doesn’t help. As I said, many of the ADs I’ve seen happened outside of a match when someone got the “slide forward hammer down” part of the brain intertwined with the “holster my loaded gun” part. Or you simply get someone who’s so habituated to it, he pulls the trigger when holstering a gun he THINKS is unloaded when he didn’t check adequately. I’ve seen both mistakes within the past year, both in class, both from experienced competition shooters.

  8. Todd, I agree with the point of the whole “Unload and show clear” process becoming a reflexive action to the point where an ND is possible. I’ve RO’d some competitors who, after blazing through a stage do the whole unload and show clear bit so fast that it was not possible to really see if the gun was empty or not.

    I’ll usually tell them to do it again, and actually show me an empty chamber. When I shoot, I try to be deliberate in my action, open the slide up, and hold the gun with the slide back at an angle that makes it easy for the RO to take a look in the chamber.

    As for the whole thing becoming such an ingrained habit that it makes an ND more likely in other situations, it’s a good point, and something I’ve not given much thought to.

  9. With regard to the safety/slide stop being a clever bit of engineering, it is clever, and full well should be, seeing as it was designed by John Browing over 100 years ago. He used it on the early Colt “Pocket Hammerless” models. Not that it takes anything away from the fact that a modern manufacturer managed to streamline a gun’s controls, and how we may have to say that’s one thing that Hi-Point seems to have gotten very right.

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