Video From The Texas Multigun Nationals

I’ve finally gotten around to rendering and uploading the video from the Texas Multigun Nationals.


Incidentally, this marks the 100th shooting competition video that I’ve uploaded, and the first one that’s high-definition.

Music taken from Free Music Archive.

BATFE Releases Study on the “Importability of Sporting Shotguns”

Over at his blog, Michael Bane has posted up his initial reaction the BATFE’s study on the importability of certain shotguns.

There were rumors about this flying around at SHOT, though the reps there refused to comment on it at all. Most of the rumors were centered around whether they would allow Saiga shotguns to be imported, or possibly the legality of the Taurus Raging Judge.

Well, it turns out that the rumors were more or less true with regard to semi-auto shotgun, primarily the Saiga, though ATF basically takes a screaming leap from the supposed sporting suitability of box magazine-fed shotguns and straight into tube-fed magazine land.

In a specific bout of stupidity, they make the following statement on page 15:

In regard to sporting purposes, the working group found no appreciable difference between integral tube magazines and removable box magazines. Each type allowed for rapid loading, reloading, and firing of ammunition. For example, “speed loaders” are available for shotguns with tube-type magazines. These speed loaders are designed to be preloaded with shotgun shells and can reload a shotgun with a tube-type magazine in less time than it takes to change a detachable magazine.

So, basically, all shotguns with magazine tubes are the same thing as a Saiga with a 25-round drum because open-division shooters use tech loaders to execute fast reloads. Never mind that use of these reloading systems takes a lot of practice, just the right technique, and if you screw it up in the least, you end up squirting shells everywhere but into the gun itself. Also, such setups are so rare outside of the world of Open Division 3-Gun, that I have yet to see them used anywhere else at all.

To quote a friend of mine:

That’s like classifying a mini van as a sports car because The Stig can flog it around the track faster than Grandma can make it in a 911.

Then, near the conclusion of the study is this particular gem:

The USPSA currently reports approximately 19,000 members that participate in shooting events throughout the United States.32 While USPSA’s reported membership is within the range of members for some other shotgun shooting organizations,33 organizations involved in shotgun hunting of particular game such as ducks, pheasants and quail indicate significantly more members than any of the target shooting organizations.34 Because a determination on the sporting purpose of practical shooting events should be made only after an in-depth study of those events, the working group determined that it was not appropriate to use this shotgun study to make a definitive conclusion as to whether practical shooting events are “sporting” for purposes of section 925(d)(3). Any such study must include rifles, shotguns and handguns
because practical shooting events use all of these firearms, and a change in position by ATF on practical shooting or “police/combat-type” competitions may have an impact on the sporting suitability of rifles and handguns. Further, while it is clear that shotguns are used at certain practical shooting events, it is unclear whether shotgun use is so prevalent that it is “generally recognized” as a sporting purpose. If shotgun use is not sufficiently popular at such events, practical shooting would have no effect on any sporting suitability determination of shotguns.

Therefore, it would be impractical to make a determination based upon one component or aspect of the practical shooting competitions.

Despite the obvious presence of winners, losers, time limits, spectators, trophies, brightly-colored jerseys emblazoned with sponsorship logos, thousands of competitors, and national TV coverage, BATFE isn’t actually sure if 3-Gun is a sport. That’s the sort of insipid mouth-breathing bureaucratic stupidity you could only find this side of ten DMVs.

Then they go and drop this:

As a result, the working group based the following sporting suitability criteria on the traditional sports of hunting, trap and skeet target shooting.

In other words, a sport isn’t a sport unless it conforms to the notions of what a shotgun game is circa 1843.

I haven’t finished reading the whole thing, but there generally seems to be a lot of unpleasantness for pretty much anyone interested in shotguns that incorporate any sort of technological advancement made in the last 70 years or so.

Admittedly, this post focuses primarily on BATFE’s opinion of what constitutes a sport. However, Michael Bane really cuts to the heart of the matter in his post when he stated this:

The big issue here isn’t whether ATF recognizes practical shooting as “legitimate” sports…the issue is that the “sporting purposes” clause itself is BS from the ground up.

Four paragraphs of ranting on my side, and he cuts the whole thing down to size with one sentence.

On the bright side of things, this is just a study with a policy recommendation at the end, and, as I understand it, doesn’t carry the weight of law or regulation with it.


SHOT Show Multigun Match

For a few hardy souls who weren’t sick of anything and everything to do with guns after spending a week at the SHOT Show (new post impending on that), Sin City Shooters Multi-gun put on a five-stage match. The stages were well thought out (two memory stages right off the bat, dammit) and had a good variety of shooting positions and problems to solve. The facilities were great, with ample berms. This is the only match I’ve ever shot where some of the fault lines were delineated with brass posts and velvet ropes. Classiest fault lines ever!

I managed to have some gear failures, including a squib (Winchester White Box) that kept me from completing the first stage, and the screw holding the stock of my rifle on fell out at one point. I’m going to assume those problems aren’t harbingers of things to come.

Results haven’t been posted yet, but between gear issues and generally crappy shooting, I’m not expecting to place terribly well. Still and all, the match was a lot of fun, and was a good way to usher in the new year’s multigun shooting.

Thanks to Charlie Brown, the Match Director, and his crew for putting on a great match at a fantastic shooting facility.

Me with a rifle on a memory stage.

The Return of Gunkid

By Justin

For those of you who have come to the online gun culture since 2006, you may not have ever heard of John Melvin Davis, aka Gunkid, Hardin, and any of hundreds of other aliases. There’s a very good reason for this.

Since 2006, he’s been spending his time being supervised at taxpayer expense in a federal penitentiary after getting busted for having guns in his possession. (He’s been previously convicted for theft, drug dealing, and trying to make suppressors without having filed the correct paperwork to do so.)

However, all of this really pales in comparison to his worst crime.

John Melvin Davis was an internet troll.

By no means is he the smartest. Nor is he the most technically proficient. Nor was he generally grounded in anything resembling reality.

But there are two things that he actually was:
He was the most prolific internet troll I’ve ever encountered. He applied a work ethic to trolling that, had he put a similar level of effort into holding down a job, he’d no doubt be making a six figure income. He was also unintentionally hilarious. If you’ve ever seen someone on a gun-related forum make a joke about bugging out with a tactical wheelbarrow, using a barkless Chihuahua as a guard dog, resorting to cannibalism after the fall of western civilization* or touting the .22 LR as the best 300 yard cartridge for The End of the World as We Know It, those were all concepts invented by Davis.

Here’s the thing though.

Davis was completely dead serious when he wrote these things. And he was banned from at least a dozen forums hundreds of times over the course of a few years.

After serving his sentence, he was released on October 26th of this year. Be sure to keep an eye peeled for his brand of stupidity. Undoubtedly he’ll be coming to an internet gun forum you like sometime in the near future.

To Gunkid, welcome back. Your special brand of crazy sauce has been, well, not missed at all, come to think of it.

*I’m thoroughly unsurprised that a guy who was incapable of grasping the rudimentary machining skills to mill the frame of a pistol would believe that societal collapse was going to happen any minute now and that within a week we’d all be gnawing on each other’s femurs.


This is a post that’s long overdue.

Long story short, at the end of August a fairly large opportunity presented itself dressed up as lots of work hours and weekends spent in front of a computer.

So, basically, with the sole exception of the monthly Tactical Rifle Match that I help run, I’ve done zero shooting. It’s the longest dry spell I’ve had since the summer I spent in New Jersey.

But, fear not. A bit of free time should be returning to my life sometime in early November, and when that happens, I’ll happily start blogging again for all five of the loyal readers of WotMG.

The Hi-Point Throwdown Continues.

It's kind of like Bobby Flay's show. But with guns.

Ok, you guys have been pretty patient with me, so here’s an update for the Hi-Point Throwdown. I attended our weekly Wednesday Steel Challenge match and ran the Hi-Point against an M&P.  I’ve also secured a holster for the Hi-Point as well.  Below are the results from the match:

11-Aug-10 1 2 3 4 Total

Triangles 5 To Go Showdown Plate


1 Brian #2 8.77 10.1 8.6 10.89 38.36
2 Brian #1 11.37 9.97 7.71 9.39 38.44
3 Dennis 10.22 10.48 8.86 11.05 40.61
4 Rod #2 10.26 12.74 8.13 11.33 42.46
5 Rod #1 10.49 10.64 9.69 12.58 43.4
6 Jason 12.47 10.89 9.62 10.95 43.93
7 Paul 10.52 12.26 10.53 11.99 45.3
8 Justin M&P 10.56 13.42 7.69 14.32 45.99
9 Pat 13.18 11.86 11.91 14.69 51.64
10 Bonnie 14.01 13.14 10.69 14.93 52.77
11 Justin HP 14.57 13.93 11.97 13.08 53.55
12 Carl 15.75 16.88 15.83 16.55 65.01
13 Adrian 13.52 18.09 16.52 18.44 66.57
14 Curtis 9.44 35.91 10.73 12.74 68.82
15 Carl B. 21.6 18.04 14.01 18.51 72.16
16 Charles 19.63 25.61 14.22 26.52 85.98
17 Michael
46.4 31.06 23.68 26.88 128.02
18 Mark
51.86 57.14 42.32 46.34 197.66

The M&P had one stoppage due to a high primer (ammunition-related).  There were none with the Hi-Point.  Shooting the Hi-Point from a holster evened things up considerably. Drawing the gun feels a bit clunky, though the safety is placed well enough that it’s easy to sweep off as you’re presenting the gun to the target.  The heavy trigger pull still doesn’t do you any favors, however.

For those of you who’ve picked this story up via the Hi-Point forums, welcome.  I saw a couple points raised there about the test, so I’ll address them here:

Wouldn’t it be interesting to know what all the competitors were shooting

The division I shoot in is iron-sight. Most of the shooters are running either production-division type guns like Glocks, M&Ps, XDs, Beretta 92s,or single action semi-autos like 1911s. I don’t include the results from other divisions like Rimfire pistol or Open because they’re not really relevant.

Whats the mag cap on the 2 pistols? i was wondering if the c9 needed more mag changes which could cause the slowdown?

Magazine capacity isn’t that important in Steel Challenge. The stages are all pre-set and have no more than five targets.  reloads are done off the clock between strings of fire. The 10 round magazines for the Hi-Point don’t put the gun at a noticeable disadvantage, unless I really happen to screw the pooch and miss a lot.  At which point it becomes moot. In Steel Challenge, if you have to reload on the clock, you’ve already lost.


Note the brass hasn’t yet cleared the ejection port on the gun. I don’t know if this is a result of a lucky shot with the camera, or testament to how slowly the Hi-Point cycles.


Two pieces of brass in the air at once. Pretty awesome. The camouflage holster is the one I’m using for the Hi-Point. Lest you think it screws with my draw, between strings, I rotate the outer competition belt to put the holster in the optimal spot for drawing.

As always, shooting stuff is a blast, and if you’re not already shooting Steel Challenge, you really should go find a local match to attend. It’s great fun.

Couple of additions to the Blogroll.

Just a quick note to point out a couple new additions over yonder ———>

The Personal Armament Podcast is exactly what it says, a solidly produced podcast geared towards covering issues relating to security and personal defense. I have to say, I’m intrigued by the Ready Shot product they promote.

Guns and Tacos is a Houston Texas-based blog dedicated to reviewing the fare for sale at various taco trucks in the Houston, Texas area, with some gun nuttery thrown in for good measure.

And really, who doesn’t like a good taco?

Rocky Mountain 3 Gun: Day 2


I initially wrote this post on my phone, and thought that it had uploaded. I thought wrong. So enjoy some moldy oldy blog posting here while I get around to doing a full writeup.

Also, Chris has all the video, so if you want to see any footage from the match, be sure to bug him. 😀



Today will be a good day. Heavy rifle stages, lots of slug targets, a pick up Thompson Contender and a bayonet.

We got some good footage yesterday, so keep an eye peeled for it.

As for the picture of the car, well, that’s what 3gun looks like. It’s a gear intensive sport, but at least it’s cooler than golf.

Also, if you find yourself in Raton, NM and in need of a breakfast sandwich and cup of coffee, I have to yet again recommend the Enchanted Grounds Coffee House.